Well there are more 35 bullets out there and if you hand load 358 win is a slightly better way to go, can do anything the 338 fed can with hand loads yet you can load down and shoot .357 pistol cast too. It created a round more powerful than the .35 Remington and .348 Winchester. The 243 Winchester and the 358 Winchester are both developed from the 308 cartridge design. Though I got my Ruger in .358, I note the “run” was short … Especially if you consider that most published data that I found for the 358 Winchester … The cartridge was offered in the Winchester Model 70 bolt-action rifle and Model 88 lever-action rifle, and Savage offered it in the classic Model 99 lever gun. One of their advertisements even publicized the ability of the .35 Remington to penetrate a 5/16″ steel plate, which the .30-30 Winchester could not do. It can truly perform as a longer range handgun. It was Saturday, January 17, 2009, when I made my usual trip to the Sweede Road Rod and Gun Club located in Pigeontown, PA for a little range work. Surviving .35-caliber cartridges introduced as factory offerings include the .35 Remington (1906); .356 Winchester (1980); .358 Winchester (1955); .35 Whelen (1987); and .350 Remington Magnum (1965). The .358 can be loaded to .35 Rem ballistics and work great with heavy - but not excessive - recoil. The best "more than.35 Remington" chambering for the TCs is the.358 JDJ. Friday, November 16, 2018. I have no problem with that, and I have an effective range of over 800 yards with both … .35 Remington - Manufacturer Loading Data. Nosler offers excellent ammunition featuring their 225-grain Partition at 2550 fps, and there are other smaller companies, like Hunting Shack Magnum, that will provide quality ammunition for the owner of a .350 Remington. The.358 Winchester was introduced in 1955 as a modern, short action replacement for the aging.348 Winchester, which was available only in the Model 71 lever action rifle. The concept of a magnum-level cartridge in a short-barreled rifle usually doesn’t work out, as the additional velocity that the magnum cartridge is designed to achieve is lost in the short barrel. Depending upon the bullet, expect at least 200-300 fps more from the .358 Win. Coef.=.282) - I have just received in the mail 100 of these pointy 200 grainers (200 PSPCL - see pic to the right). While we’ve experienced a wave of short magnum-mania over the last two decades, the craze actually began in the mid-1960s, when Remington released in the .350 Remington Magnum and 6.5 Remington Magnum in 1965 and 1966, respectively. The Official Word on Rechambering the Marlin 336 Rifle from .35 Remington to .356 or .358 Winchester By Barr H. Soltis. .35rem is one of those efficient rounds that doesn't need a whole lot of barrel, or powder for that matter, to get 2000fps w/200g bullets. The .358 Winchester and the .35 Whelan cartridges offer great performance on large game, but are ignored with a passion by most hunters. He is a big fan of .35 caliber cartridges, and was looking for a short, light rifle, but was torn between the .358 Winchester and the .350 Remington Magnum. Based on a necked up.308 Winchester case, the.358 Winchester is still powerful enough for interior Alaskan bears and is perhaps the best brush and thick timber cartridge ever developed. With the right bullets it is not far behind the .308 in field performance out to 250 yards. Then if he needs to hunt larger game or shoot at longer ranges the .358 can be loaded up. Remington helped promote the advantage in power that the .35 Remington had over the .30-30 through a series of advertising campaigns in the early 1900s. Just like with factory ammo, there are a BUNCH of different .308″ bullets for reloaders to choose from. For some reason that defies explanation, the thirty-five caliber rifle cartridges have all … Case capacity is about the only real difference. Another benefit is that this round … Both cartridges are an excellent choice for bears of any species when loaded with the heavier 250-grain bullets, and make a good choice for the larger species of African plains game. A 200gr .358 pill @ 2100fps is no slouch. The 358 Winchester, The Bull Of The Woods . It wasn't long before Winchester took the cartridge and necked it up and down, resulting in the 1955 releases of the .243 Winchester and—on the other end of the spectrum—the .358 Winchester. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. and .35 Whelen and a RIM which is really nice in TCs. Far more … There were numerous .35-caliber rifle cartridges born in the 20th century, but most of them didn’t live to see the dawning of the 21st century. and.35 Whelen and a RIM which is really nice in TCs. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. The 35's head size is .460 to the ‘06s size of .473...the length is 1.9 inches vs. the .358 Win case of 2 inches....so the closeness of the cases in … The 35 Remington also was a early 35 caliber rifle and is still around today with good reason. The Speer number 13 reloading manual shows the 180 grain bullet from a 30-06 at 2756 fps as the top load and the 358 Winchester 180 grain bullet at 2732 fps as the top load. The usual crowd was shuffling in and setting up their stations for a little target practice. The 1952 release of the .308 Winchester sparked a short-action revolution; it compared well with the .30-06 Springfield in the game fields, and came in a shorter package that hunters appreciated. Privacy Policy • Contact Us • Warnings • FAQs • © 2021 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum. Mag. It has a case capacity between that of the.358 Win. From a 14" Contender you can easily get 2300 fps with 225s and from an Encore you should be able to get that or better even with 250s or closer to 2500 fps with the 225s as you are not limited to the same pressure levels in the Encore with it that you are in the Contender. Pistol; Rifle; Cowboy; GR. The .350 Remington Magnum can drive a 250-grain bullet to nearly 2400 fps, and a 200-grain bullet to over 2700 fps. Bolt Actions 223,243,270,06,308 to 338 Federal, 338-066,358, 9.3 X 62 Mauser or 35, 375, 400 Whelen, 350 Legend. I've owned .35 Remington, .358 Win, .357 Mag and MAX in various pistols and rifles but never a .350 RM. I'm not after lighter weight, since that means more recoil. It has a case capacity between that of the .358 Win. Another viiewpoint: if the OP handloads - which I assume he does - then the .358 offers added versatility over the .35. If the story ended there this would be … I was afraid the 358 would have a lot of bump to it as well as fall a bit short of the 308 possibilities...I also have a couple thousand 308 rounds in match and hunting configuration that sway me that way.. considered the 7 30 waters and the 7mm -08 and the 270, but first : I don't have another gun in those rounds; second : the 308 can do more things in more situations, and third : I just like 30 caliber bullets in long guns, though I have killed a lot of deer with smaller diameter bullets from 243 through 277 and 284. they all work, it is just the 308 does what I liked about the old '06 : DRT every time with the exception of one time, ever for me...and that was a less than good shot.. still got the buck though after a little tracking job and a finisher at about ten yards for safety and kindness. The 35's head size is .460 to the ‘06s size of .473...the length is 1.9 inches vs. the .358 Win case of 2 inches....so the closeness of the cases in size and appearance can fool the casual observer. Based on the belted Holland & Holland case shortened to fit in a .308-length action, Remington released the pair in the Model 600 bolt-action carbine, and later in the Model 660, both of which had barrels on the shorter side; 18.5″ and 20″, respectively. thks tiggere & ken : I appreciate the comments. Aside from the wildcats and obsolete stuff, there are the 35 Remington, 356 Winchester, 358 Winchester, 350 Remington Magnum, 35 Whelen, and 358 Norma Magnum. Bullet Type Primer. The.35 Remington uses the 180- and 200-grain.358″caliber bullets, and while light-for-caliber, they are effective at the ranges a.35 Remington is used, which is usually inside of 150 yards. To appease those hunters who wanted more punch, Winchester offered a necked-up .35-caliber version of the .308, the .358 Win. vs. .300 Win. Registered. The .358win is also efficient, but in a handgun? The .35 Rem. By this time, the Whelen crowd is screaming at the screen, “Why not just shoot a Whelen and solve all the problems?” There is a certain attraction to those stubby .35s; they offer plenty of power in a compact package, and there is certainly room for these cartridges in a highly-competitive market. necked up to .35 caliber. Many do not realize that the 35 Remington case is not based on the 358 Winchester case, nor does it have the ‘06 head size. is nearly identical to the larger.348. While I’m a fan of the .350 Magnum, I definitely feel a rifle with a barrel of at least 22 inches will give the best performance; those 600 and 660 carbines—while they have their own devoted followers—just don’t do the cartridge justice. At sane hunting ranges, this isn’t a huge handicap, but anyone looking into these cartridges should be aware of the issue. Some think that the cartridge is only good as a short-range and woods round, but it is adequate for any North American big game. 300 yds probably stretches either one, but they are both certainly capable if a person familiarizes himself with the trajectory and practices enough. ALL 158 gr 170 gr 180 gr 200 gr 220 gr 250 gr. The .358 Winchester has been described as a short version of the .35 Whelen, though based on the .308. Used Savage 110s in .243,.308 are common and inexpensive. The .358 Winchester uses the same .358″ (9.1mm) diameter bullets as other .35 caliber cartridges like the .35 Remington, the .35 Whelen, the .350 Remington Magnum, and the .358 Norma Magnum. It was later offered in the classic Savage Model 99 and may still be available in the Browning BLR. Comparing muzzle velocities with 200 grain bullets, the.356 Winchester (@ 2460 fps) is closer to the.358 Winchester (@2490) than it is the.35 Remington (@ 2020). Look in your gun safe. The.358 Winchester is one of the best commercial (non-magnum).35-caliber cartridges turned out by any American manufacturer. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. The .308W will do all that and more. It seems that the only .35 caliber rifle cartridge that keeps hanging on is the good old .35 Remington, and that is chambered in just one lever action rifle. 35 Remington case is not based on the 358 Winchester case, nor does it have the ‘06 head size. The .358 Win. I can say that the .350 Remington Magnum—at least in the rifles I've shot—will definitely let you know it’s a magnum, especially from the bench, but its recoil can be managed by most shooters. It offered as good or better energies than the .348, and the .358 was housed in a modern lever-gun built to accommodate scopes. I've been thinking about why the .356 Winchester in the Marlin 336 didn't make it and I've come to the conclusion that if you trim the .356 case to the same length as the .35 Remington, the latter has 95% the volume of the former; and, in an action that will only handle a round just about 2.5" long, the difference between the two cartridges loaded to the same … My good pal Dave deMoulpied has a Model 700 Classic in .350 Remington, and we’ve handloaded for that cartridge for well over a decade, achieving sub-MOA groups from 200-grain Hornady InterLocks, 225-grain North Fork softpoints, and 250-grain Hornady round nose softpoints. The 358 Winchester round would be developed in 1955 by the Winchester firearms company and would be developed from the 308 Winchester cartridge. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! You may have a candidate already there! JavaScript is disabled. better hold on tight. Nov 12, 2010 #8. djackson67 said: 308 is the way to go, but even a 30/30 is "more Powerful" than a 35. a 35's … by Philip Massaro - Its also why I have a Whelen instead of a 358 Winchester or a 350 Remington Magnum. The .356 Winchester is nothing more then a rimmed .358. These spire points are a tough big game bullet and should be capable of being used on big bear at magnum levels up to 3000 fps MV. in a 14" Contender. As much as I love the .358 Winchester, I feel a shooter would be better served with the additional velocity of the .350 Remington Magnum, in spite of the fact that the magazine capacity will be compromised by the fatter case. 338 Federal vs 308 Winchester vs 358 Winchester: What You Need To Know 35 Whelen: The Poor Man’s Magnum America’s “Other Levergun” by Glen E. Fryxell, The Great Model 8 & 81 by Richard Jones, Bullet Frontal Area List , by Chuck Hawks, and the Lyman 50th Edition (p309-310) and Hornady 10th Edition (p682-683) reloading manuals were used as references for this article. I'm after longer range and greater wounding potential. They would develop the 308 in the 1954 time period. I love them both, have … 760 Remington 243, 300 Sav & 308 358 Winchester. Nov 12, 2010 #8. weagle Senior Member. Components are readily available, but factory ammunition is as limited for the.350 Remington as it is for the.358 Winchester. Thompson Center Handguns Sponsored by Ed's TCs, Blackpowder Mortar & Cannon by Seacoast Artillery, Hand Loading Rifles & Handguns by Diamond K Brass, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The.35 Remington is one of a family of cartridges that were designed for the Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle released in 1908. Take a look at the list of .35-caliber … In the past, the 358 Yeti has been compared by many to the 35 Rem cartridge in terms of performance but the actual numbers I have been personally experiencing (using Shooter's World Blackout powder) puts the Yeti real close and in some cases squarely in the 358 Winchester range. The club boasts … The 358 Win and 35 Whelen are both excellent cartridges and very similar. The 600 and 660 were all but gone by 1970, but the .350 remained an option in the Model 700 rifle. Components are readily available, but factory ammunition is as limited for the .350 Remington as it is for the .358 Winchester. The.358 Winchester is the least powerful.358 when compared to the.35 Whelen and.358 Norma, but that’s not the whole story. I do believe that the 358 Norma is too much in the 338 Mag class to be of much use. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. It was introduced in 1955 by Winchester and chambered in their Model 70 rifle as well as the Model 88 lever-action. Although its case is smaller, ballistically the.358 Win. GOOD SHOOTIN', Walt. A reader of this series wrote in, asking for this one in particular. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. The relationship in performance between the .358 Win and the .35 Whelen is similar to that between the .308 Win and the .30-06. Accordingly, both of these cartridges are best served with spitzers which have shorter, steeper ogives, or by round-nose bullets. in that Encore, for greater versatility. Both cartridges will have issues with the longer spitzer bullets, as the magazine limitations won’t allow those bullets to be seated out far enough so the case mouth is on the shank of the bullet. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. Remington .358 200 PSP-Core Lokts (SD=.223 Bal. So, let’s look at the battle between the short-action .35s and examine the pros and cons of each. It’s a big improvement over the.35 Remington, slightly more powerful than the old.35 Winchester, and … My latest Whelen has a 26 inch barrel and weighs around 9.5 lbs with scope. was simply a .308 Win. .30-06 Springfield: Is it Still the Best All-Around Big-Game Hunting Cartridge? The cartridge is relatively easy on the shoulder, is available in a fast-cycling rifle, and while ammunition and rifles are definitely limited, owners of the .358 Winchester sing the praises of the cartridge. The .358 Winchester was not merely a deer/black bear cartridge; it gave the .35 caliber fans a cartridge valid for all North American hunting, including big brown bears. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. Today the .35 caliber family, at least in North America, includes the .357 Magnum, .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. It kills with authority at your average deer hunting distances. will easily kill any hog that ever lived. It is capable of driving a. The other 35's are in classes of their own. Which is the more useful cartridge? I think they might be better than the Hornady 200 spire points (which are tough too - see … For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The best "more than .35 Remington" chambering for the TCs is the .358 JDJ. Mag. With a longer barrel, the cartridge delivers ballistics which are knocking on the door of the longer .35 Whelen, albeit in a shorter, fatter cartridge. Mag. I have always owned at least one .35 Remington T/C over the last 25 years and love the cartridge, but there have been times when a bit more power would have been nice. We've got you covered.• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. 270 & 30-06 35 Whelen. The.25,.30,.32 Remington cartridges were loosely based on a rimless version of the.30-30 Winchester while the.35 Remington was based on a rimless version of the slightly wider bodied.30-40 Krag. Powder ALL Accurate 2015 Accurate 2230 Accurate 2460 Accurate 2495 Accurate 2520 Accurate 5744 Alliant Powder Reloder 7 Hodgdon Benchmark Hodgdon BL-C(2) Hodgdon H322 Hodgdon H335 Hodgdon H4198 Hodgdon H4895 Hodgdon … Comparing the .35REM and .358Win to me would be the same as comparing a 30-30Win to the .308. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remington—that popular woods rifle—is much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. But the 358 will do it with less powder, shorter actions, shorter brass, and shorter barrels than the 30-06. But (for now at least) if your buying ammo 338 fed is the way to go as being new(ish) ammo can be found where 358 is right hard to come by. Ken W. also indicated the Ruger 77 had more room [length] in it's action and magazine for bullet seating compared to Remington's 600/660 and even the 700 … .. the 7mm-08 is a little flatter...little faster...with less energy (obviously .30 vs. 7mm)...but it allows you more options in bullets so you can tailor it to suit your needs...I don't reload and to be able to get factory ammo is very important...BTW Remington also has a factory 120 grain load available...gonna go get a couple boxes from BPS tomorrow to play with as they are "seasonal"... A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Single Shot 223,243,270,06,308 to 357 Maximum, 358 Win or 35 Whelen Both easily give 3000 pounds of muzzle energy with many loads. Needless to say, the original release of the .350 Remington Magnum was a flash in the pan. Of the two, which serves the hunter better? Hardware: CCI Maxi-Mag Segmented HP 22 WMR, 2021 National Rifle Association of America. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in the bunch. I'd recommend you consider the .308 Win. I do believe that a .338-08 would make one heck of a marketing … Winchester’s design was simply the .308 case necked up to hold .358″ diameter bullets, offering 200-grain bullets at just under 2500 fps and 250-grain bullets at 2250 fps for a marked increase in both velocity and striking energy. My .358 Rem 700 started as a .243 Win and thanks to this forum I sent it to JES and have been happy as can be. For a .35 Whelen, start with a used .270 or 30-06. in a 15" Encore vs. the .35 Rem. So which of the short .35s make the better choice for a prospective buyer? It ain't a beanfield rifle. Not surprisingly, the company dropped the Model 71 just two years later. Get one and send to JES for a .358 Win rebore. But it will perform well in the pines and oak flats. 303 Savage 35 Remington. 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